http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/-t1.htm Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:49:17 GMT 10 c:\Documents and settings\user\My Documents\My Pictures\Smoker small.jpg http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/-t1.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/history-being-repeated-t110.htm Admin A new book, The Third Reich at War by Richard J. Evans is reviewed in today's Saturday Times, you can see full article here. Http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article4915271.ece It sounds a fascinating book, which in my opinion, should be required reading for all schoolchildren, 11 and upwards, so that what happened during that period is never forgotten. There are however, two extracts from the review, which have very strong similarities as to what ... THE BAN Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:49:17 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/history-being-repeated-t110.htm#376 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/history-being-repeated-t110.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-cigar-a-meal-t108.htm redsunset
I too am fed up with hearing about these wimps who can't stand the smell of smoke while they are eating.

As you say, hard bloody luck!]]> THE BAN Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:26:32 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-cigar-a-meal-t108.htm#366 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-cigar-a-meal-t108.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/smokers-are-a-bad-role-model-for-their-children-t103.htm Admin Anti-Smoking Advocate Says Smokers are a Bad Role Model for their Children. By Michael Siegel. I would say that how much the parents love their kids and show them love, the values they teach their kids, and the example they set for them in terms of morals such as compassion, kindness, honesty, respect, and tolerance are perhaps some of the most important factors in terms of whether I would consider a parent to be a good role model for their children. To look only at smoking and state ... THE BAN Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:22:27 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/smokers-are-a-bad-role-model-for-their-children-t103.htm#344 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/smokers-are-a-bad-role-model-for-their-children-t103.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-freedom-charter-t107.htm gingerlad
How come there hasn't been much more made of this in the press and TV?

I wouldn't mind betting it is something to do with ASH, a spanner in the works, that will make the Conservatives and all the parties deny anything to do with this, and thus scupper any real chances of it ever happening.]]> THE BAN Wed, 03 Sep 2008 10:57:56 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-freedom-charter-t107.htm#349 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-freedom-charter-t107.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/more-corporate-insanity-t106.htm stuwho99 Sirs, Following on closely from my last post, I gave feed-back to Alton Towers yesterday. I had booked, and paid for, in February, for a family party of 13 to stay at the Splash Landings Hotel on the occasion of my wife's Big 50. That was last weekend, and we had a wonderful time. Eventually I was put through to a young guy who grudgingly conceded that he was probably the one to take negative feedback. I told him that, had it stated anywhere on their web-site, at the time I made the ... THE BAN Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:38:30 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/more-corporate-insanity-t106.htm#348 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/more-corporate-insanity-t106.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/corporate-insanity-t104.htm stuwho99 Sirs, I usually spend up to six-months a year working away from home. My choice for accommodation has been Motels, usually Premier Inn. They have banned smoking in their rooms so I fed back that the decision will be costing them about £7,500 a year in loss of my custom. I get a garbled and miss-informed response to the effect that it is unlawful to smoke in an enclosed space. Sorry, I tell them, the law allows smoking in hotel bedrooms if they are designated as smoking rooms. Back comes ... THE BAN Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:50:36 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/corporate-insanity-t104.htm#345 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/corporate-insanity-t104.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-resistance-t101.htm numero-uno The truck drivers certainly knew how to do it. They brought half of London to a standstill with their protest, and they also gained massive publicity for their cause. Smokers on the other hand, are very good at moaning and writing on sites such as this, but in general, ask them to get off their arses and do something, and it's end of story. I read on another site today, something about a Resistance movement starting up, and the idea immediately appealed to me. Does anyone know ... THE BAN Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:43:45 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-resistance-t101.htm#339 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-resistance-t101.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/at-last-something-good-t102.htm gingerlad http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-gb&vid=00956a1a-1d65-4108-8e88-069359e7e550

Could this be the start of the Government's climbdown?]]> THE BAN Mon, 14 Jul 2008 15:51:53 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/at-last-something-good-t102.htm#342 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/at-last-something-good-t102.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/and-so-now-the-world-is-their-woodbine-t100.htm gingerlad http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1031241/And-world-Woodbine.html]]> THE BAN Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:24:17 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/and-so-now-the-world-is-their-woodbine-t100.htm#334 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/and-so-now-the-world-is-their-woodbine-t100.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/what-s-been-happening-t99.htm gingerlad I haven't been able to log on here for over a week, what happened? THE BAN Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:22:36 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/what-s-been-happening-t99.htm#333 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/what-s-been-happening-t99.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/boris-t98.htm bumblebee
Tony Blair and the Labour Party comitted real crimes in Iraq, and they haven't been investigated.

But there again, this government does tend to think that smoking or anything related to it, is the biggest crime invented by mankind.]]> THE BAN Tue, 24 Jun 2008 08:40:41 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/boris-t98.htm#332 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/boris-t98.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/smoking-ban-leaves-pubs-worse-for-wear-official-t95.htm Don Draper It is now official that even the big pub groups are feeling the pinch because of the smoking ban. Read it here Http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/investing-and-markets/article.html?in_article_id=443078&in_page_id=3&position=moretopstories Profits up in smoke: Pubs have suffered after the smoking ban THE BAN Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:05:20 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/smoking-ban-leaves-pubs-worse-for-wear-official-t95.htm#321 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/smoking-ban-leaves-pubs-worse-for-wear-official-t95.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/who-has-the-worst-memory-t92.htm Don Draper I have just read the biggest load of old tosh I have seen for ages. Some dick-brained morons have now come up with the illuminating fact that smokers now have worst memories than non smokers. These brainless wonders seem to have forgotton completely, that nearly all the most famous and best writers in history, have all been smokers. Read the crap here. http://lifestyle.aol.co.uk/smokers-have-worst-memories/article/20080609161409990012 THE BAN Tue, 10 Jun 2008 15:08:45 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/who-has-the-worst-memory-t92.htm#311 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/who-has-the-worst-memory-t92.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/holidays-t87.htm puffer
The ban did not cover hotel bedrooms but most hotels seem to have banned it themselves as have many self-catering establishments. I would have thought a site dedicated to holidays for smokers but have been set up by know as those that do allow smoking would be so popular.]]> THE BAN Sat, 17 May 2008 11:54:42 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/holidays-t87.htm#290 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/holidays-t87.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/smoking-in-other-people-s-homes-t86.htm Admin
That's what I call being a real genial host, none of this go outside business.]]> THE BAN Fri, 16 May 2008 13:02:41 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/smoking-in-other-people-s-homes-t86.htm#289 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/smoking-in-other-people-s-homes-t86.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/aol-propaganda-t90.htm Don Draper This is the type of thing that I hate. It is pure propaganda, and probably paid for by Big Pharma. Have a look at this crap that AOL has put on its front page, as if it is real, and read carefully the words. I am just so angry. Does anyone know how we can find out who pays for advertising like this, which is so misleading? http://lifestyle.aol.co.uk/health/fag-hags-celebrity-smokers/article/20080424105609990003?country=uk THE BAN Mon, 19 May 2008 13:54:48 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/aol-propaganda-t90.htm#301 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/aol-propaganda-t90.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/you-think-the-ban-is-bad-here-t85.htm trueone You think the ban is bad here in the UK? In the US it is even worse. Could it really be worse? Yes it damn well could, in Will County, the new ban forbids smoking in public places where employees could be exposed to second-hand smoke. That includes some vehicles such as public buses and police cars, for example. So if a police officer stopped a squad at a busy intersection and rolled down the windows, no one could smoke within 15 feet of either side of their car. Police there have ... THE BAN Thu, 15 May 2008 13:24:07 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/you-think-the-ban-is-bad-here-t85.htm#286 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/you-think-the-ban-is-bad-here-t85.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-stink-of-arsenic-t77.htm Admin Remember when they first started telling us all the lies about cigarettes and smoking? One of the main things which enabled the ban to go ahead was the amount of carcinogens in tobacco products, all of which they proceeded to name, to show us how dangerous this s...t was that we were smoking and infecting other people with. But far the most dangerous, and the one that ignorant anti smokers still go on about, is Arsenic. Yes, they screamed, it is in your cigarettes and killing our babies. What ... THE BAN Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:42:52 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-stink-of-arsenic-t77.htm#266 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-stink-of-arsenic-t77.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-new-game-called-chase-the-anti-t84.htm Admin I think most smokers will know what I mean, when I say that since last July, smokers have been chased from pillow to post. We have been ostracised from society, we have been stopped from socialising with our friends, we have been told that we are un-clean, and that we stink, we are now being chased in the streets by council officials in case we drop the odd fag end, even though our streets are absolutely covered in chewing gum, which is almost impossible to clean off, and there are take-away ... THE BAN Tue, 13 May 2008 16:23:39 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-new-game-called-chase-the-anti-t84.htm#285 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-new-game-called-chase-the-anti-t84.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/looking-at-cigarette-smoke-sends-you-blind-t81.htm Admin If you see someone smoking, and you are within 100 yards of that person, you will go blind, according to a new report by Doctor Abrahams of the Smurf University in Copenhagen. I just made that up to grab your attention, but, and this supposed to be real, and is most definitely on a par with such nonsense, a Doctor Yerem Yeghiazarians, of California University, has conducted a study which says, inhaling second-hand smoke for as little as half-an-hour damages blood vessels and can lead to ... THE BAN Fri, 09 May 2008 12:04:19 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/looking-at-cigarette-smoke-sends-you-blind-t81.htm#279 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/looking-at-cigarette-smoke-sends-you-blind-t81.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-man-true-to-himself-t83.htm panultimo I just read an article about Senator Obama, where he says, "Hillary is known to have chased cigarette smokers outside when she lived in the White House, it's one of the things I hold against her: she favors Stalinist social engineering methods for guaranteeing what she considers a good result. It's a lefty thing, and it's the main reason I no longer consider myself a lefty: my personal freedom is too important to me". He goes onto say "Hillary could try to make hay out ... THE BAN Fri, 09 May 2008 14:56:27 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-man-true-to-himself-t83.htm#282 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-man-true-to-himself-t83.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/backing-boris-all-the-way-t72.htm Admin Boris Johnson has just announced that he would like to see local councils given the right to allow smoking venues or not. Well said Boris, you are the only politician that has come forward and put freedom of choice back on the menu. you deserve to win. See article here: Http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23478881-details/Boris%3A+I%27ll+give+you+a+say+on+smoking/article.do THE BAN Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:26:54 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/backing-boris-all-the-way-t72.htm#238 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/backing-boris-all-the-way-t72.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/government-to-ban-additives-t68.htm Admin I have just read the following article in today's paper: Additives DO harm children - and a ban could cut child hyperactivity by a third, say scientists Read article here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=558368&in_page_id=1770 Some time ago I called upon the Government, by way of an online petition, which you can see and vote on here: http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/toxinsintobacco/#detail The petition calls for the Government to ... THE BAN Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:11:52 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/government-to-ban-additives-t68.htm#227 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/government-to-ban-additives-t68.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/german-state-relaxes-smoking-ban-for-1-room-corner-pubs-t76.htm trueone BERLIN : Owners of one-room, corner pubs in a southwestern German state won a partial victory against a new anti-smoking law on Tuesday, when a court ruled their customers are allowed to puff away. Someone just pointed this out to me, you can read the whole article here: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/12/europe/EU-GEN-Germany-Smoking-Ban.php THE BAN Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:21:18 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/german-state-relaxes-smoking-ban-for-1-room-corner-pubs-t76.htm#265 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/german-state-relaxes-smoking-ban-for-1-room-corner-pubs-t76.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/no-choice-no-vote-campaign-starts-today-t42.htm botswana7 Official campaign starts today 16th of Feb. We will be posting out to numerous organisations etc over the coming weeks. Please participate if you do not live in London you can still participate by downloading your ballot paper and follow instructions. I am hoping to update the news section on B7 website on a regular basis, I would appreciate any feedback on any publicity it receives. Post here or send me a PM. Any further campaign ideas are most welcome. Regards ... THE BAN Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:20:05 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/no-choice-no-vote-campaign-starts-today-t42.htm#141 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/no-choice-no-vote-campaign-starts-today-t42.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-call-to-action-t69.htm panultimo
Really made me think about what we should all be doing.

Is it OK for me to copy the picture?]]> THE BAN Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:26:43 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-call-to-action-t69.htm#230 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/a-call-to-action-t69.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/big-pharma-dish-out-the-suicide-pills-t75.htm Admin The NHS faces accusations that it wasted millions of pounds trying to help smokers to quit. While smokers prop up the NHS with the revenue collected by HM Gov from tobacco products, the NHS itself, continues to throw the money down the drain. Last year, more than £7.5 million was spent on smoking cessation schemes in London alone, with only a small percentage actually giving up. Read article here: Http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23479750-details/NHS+wastes+millions+on+smokers+who+fail+to+quit/article.do Worse ... THE BAN Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:50:49 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/big-pharma-dish-out-the-suicide-pills-t75.htm#246 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/big-pharma-dish-out-the-suicide-pills-t75.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/getting-the-facts-across-t70.htm Admin I recently wrote on another forum, to Boris Johnson's campaign team to ask his views on the smoking ban. Than, as a sort of experiment, I decided to get in touch with the Socialist Party and ask them the same thing. Seeing as they say that they uphold the rights of the ordinary man, I asked them how they felt about the rights of the ordinary man who smokes, who apparently makes up the majority of smokers. I received answers from both of, which unbelievably were very much alike. They ... THE BAN Wed, 16 Apr 2008 16:26:59 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/getting-the-facts-across-t70.htm#233 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/getting-the-facts-across-t70.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/i-think-they-re-getting-worried-t67.htm mary A bit of gossip. I love to view the F2C website front page stories. Someone's hijacked the site though. I visited it tonight and it directed me straight to the GoSmokefree website from the govt NHS body! F2C is trying to get around the highjack, as at least the Smokefree website has disappeared. I've missed the front-page today, but I'm sure this must mean that someone's getting a little bit worried about the truth getting out, and we all keep chipping away. I think that IT helped temendously ... THE BAN Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:08:44 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/i-think-they-re-getting-worried-t67.htm#224 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/i-think-they-re-getting-worried-t67.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/7500-smoking-voters-can-wipe-out-labour-s-commons-majority-t59.htm Admin Just 7,500 smoking voters can wipe out Labour's Commons majority

I have just added the following article to the front page of this website. Please check it out and follow link

There are just 5 short weeks to go to get our message accross.

Gordon Brown has started his campaign, we need to start ours, NOW!]]> THE BAN Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:52:57 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/7500-smoking-voters-can-wipe-out-labour-s-commons-majority-t59.htm#195 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/7500-smoking-voters-can-wipe-out-labour-s-commons-majority-t59.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/no-smoke-no-vote-t66.htm botswana7 Less than 4 weeks to go to the election. There are a lot of Ken Livingstone and election you tube videos, feel free to leave comments on videos along the lines of "No Smoke no Vote" or "No Choice no Vote". Help spread the message Regards B7 www.freewebs.com/botswana7 THE BAN Fri, 04 Apr 2008 20:19:44 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/no-smoke-no-vote-t66.htm#216 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/no-smoke-no-vote-t66.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/publicans-get-organised-t62.htm Admin I say that it is about time the pub trade started helping themselves. I saw this one silly idea today about the pub trade banning Alistair Darling from pubs. Big deal, what a laughing stock they will make of themselves doing this. Does anyone really think it will make the slightest bit of difference, banning this one silly little pathetic man? The media will have a field day with such a piece of nonsense. All we ever hear about is how we, the customers, should fight the ban, and ... THE BAN Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:09:46 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/publicans-get-organised-t62.htm#201 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/publicans-get-organised-t62.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/resevation-for-cheap-smokes-t60.htm trueone
I wish we had a few reservations over here: http://www.nypost.com/seven/01282008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/indian_butts_rob_ny_state_450588.htm]]> THE BAN Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:59:13 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/resevation-for-cheap-smokes-t60.htm#196 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/resevation-for-cheap-smokes-t60.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/addicted-to-passive-smoking-t52.htm redsunset Here is something to set the proverbial cat amongst the pigeons. We are bombarded night and day by the anti-smoking lobby, and their friends in the Big Pharmaceutical Businesses, with propaganda telling us that nicotine is highly addictive, and the only way to kick the habit, is to buy their products, which include patches and other drugs, which also contain nicotine. If we take what they say as true, and you must bear in mind that most people do believe this without ever questioning ... THE BAN Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:07:16 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/addicted-to-passive-smoking-t52.htm#172 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/addicted-to-passive-smoking-t52.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/national-smoking-day-a-success-t6.htm Admin I cannot speak for everyone of course, but National Smoking Day, 31st Dec 2007 was certainly a success where I was. My wife and I was in a restaurant in London where cigars and Champaign were handed out to those who wanted them during the evening, and smoking was not only tolerated, but positively encouraged. The restaurant was crowded, and there was not one complaint, not even from a miserable looking couple who were sitting quite near to me, whom I was sure were a couple of antis ... THE BAN Wed, 02 Jan 2008 11:03:37 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/national-smoking-day-a-success-t6.htm#8 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/national-smoking-day-a-success-t6.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/wonderful-article-t57.htm helend498 http://tinyurl.com/27nchz]]> THE BAN Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:03:59 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/wonderful-article-t57.htm#183 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/wonderful-article-t57.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/tomorrow-s-news-t56.htm numero-uno Here is tomorrow's news, presented here today, Wednesday 19th March 2008. At a meeting in Brussels today, which is about to take place later this afternoon, EU representatives, which include sixteen dignitaries from ASH, and seventy four representatives from the world's largest pharmaceutical companies, will be debating the impact of smoke-free environments. Needless to say, both sides of the argument will be/were, well represented, and opposing the EUs experts was the solitary figure ... THE BAN Wed, 19 Mar 2008 10:57:29 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/tomorrow-s-news-t56.htm#181 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/tomorrow-s-news-t56.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/vote-for-b7-in-london-elects-you-election-t55.htm botswana7 I have now entered the above election contest mainly on smoking freedom of choice for smokers platform. If you would like to vote me please click on the top left Icon on website homepage. www.freewebs.com/botswana7 Or you can vote for botswana7 at http://www.londonelectsyou.co.uk/MemberProfile.aspx?member=401173 Must apologise for the picture, Regards B7 _________________ www.freewebs.com/botswana7 THE BAN Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:30:01 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/vote-for-b7-in-london-elects-you-election-t55.htm#180 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/vote-for-b7-in-london-elects-you-election-t55.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/no-smoking-in-your-homes-t54.htm botswana7 Back in 2004 Liverpool aspired to be the first British City to become smoke free. Four years on they are back in the news with "smoking ban urged" in homes by Mersey health chiefs. It seems again that un-elected Health busy bodies and unaccountable stakeholder types are making their own laws and imposing them on the general public, their plan of action must be resisted at all costs we must get back to being a true democracy. Link to article. http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-news/regional-news/2007/11/05/smoking-ban-urged-in-the-home-by-mersey-health-chiefs-64375-20061479/ Protest ... THE BAN Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:33:02 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/no-smoking-in-your-homes-t54.htm#177 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/no-smoking-in-your-homes-t54.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/should-i-start-smoking-again-t12.htm redsunset I gave up smoking just over a year ago now, and I would love to say that I feel all the better for it, but to be honest I don't, and neither have I saved any of the money that I used to spend on fags, and I definitely don't drink more than I used to, in fact quite the opposite, as I find most pubs very dreary places now, since the ban. All my friends still smoke, a few of them even smoke more than they did before as they say the ban has made them all the more determined to do what they want. Now ... THE BAN Fri, 11 Jan 2008 13:42:48 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/should-i-start-smoking-again-t12.htm#19 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/should-i-start-smoking-again-t12.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/am-i-in-the-wrong-place-as-a-labour-supporter-t38.htm rosiew Hello, I’m someone who is absolutely furious about the smoking ban. I’m also a lifelong Labour Party supporter. There’s something that’s puzzling me, when I’m on this website and the others of a similar kind. Why is it that everyone seems so anti-Labour? Of course I understand that it was Labour who introduced the ban, to my disgust. But is everyone seriously suggesting that the Conservatives or Lib Dems would have done anything different? Are the governments who have brought ... THE BAN Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:09:57 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/am-i-in-the-wrong-place-as-a-labour-supporter-t38.htm#115 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/am-i-in-the-wrong-place-as-a-labour-supporter-t38.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-smoker-f2c-forest-t46.htm panultimo I am getting so peed off with what is happening, or to be more precise, what is not happening with regard to getting something done about this terrible smoking ban. There are 3 major sites where people like myself can air their views, the first, being this one, The Smoker Magazine, the second being F2C, and the third, being Forest. The Smoker Magazine seems to be the only one which doesn't make promises that is cannot deliver on. It invites members to have their say, except it should ... THE BAN Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:49:47 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-smoker-f2c-forest-t46.htm#155 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/the-smoker-f2c-forest-t46.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/street-smoking-ban-stubbed-out-t48.htm botswana7 CONTROVERSIAL plans to ban smoking in outside cafe areas are being dropped following a backlash from landlords and cafe owners. Instead licensees will be asked to voluntarily ban smoking outside their premises. Only a modicum of common sense in Barnsley, first of all they have forced smokers outside business premises they are to blame for the situation in the first place. Why would licensees want to ban smoking outside their premises, they are losing custom at a rapid rate due to the ... THE BAN Fri, 29 Feb 2008 18:51:06 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/street-smoking-ban-stubbed-out-t48.htm#159 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/street-smoking-ban-stubbed-out-t48.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/commission-a-report-t45.htm bumblebee I am new to this forum, so please forgive me if I am writing in the wrong place, or about something which has already been debated. From what I have been reading on various threads, both here and on other sites, it would seem that we need a counter attack movement on the likes of ASH and the Government. They, the antis, are bringing out sets of figures and very, very dubious facts, almost on a daily basis now. I won't bother to go into them all, as I am sure we all know the type of ... THE BAN Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:34:34 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/commission-a-report-t45.htm#154 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/commission-a-report-t45.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/disgusting-bbc-propaganda-aimed-at-tiny-tots-t44.htm Admin DISGUSTING BBC PROPAGANDA AIMED AT TINY TOTS The BBC and CBBC have made a series of programmes, aimed at the 7 to 12 age group, entitled 'Smokehouse' The following, was taken from The Daily Mail Weekend TV Magazine 16th Feb 2008. It's estimated that half of all British children grow up in households where at least one parent smokes. As well as immediate health risks from passive smoking, there's danger down the line as these youngsters are more likely to smoke as well. This ... THE BAN Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:41:58 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/disgusting-bbc-propaganda-aimed-at-tiny-tots-t44.htm#153 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/disgusting-bbc-propaganda-aimed-at-tiny-tots-t44.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/asa-complaint-t39.htm rosiew Hello, I made a complaint to the ASA yesterday about the EU advert saying "Every year tobacco kills 19,000 Europeans who don't smoke". I said I didn't believe the EU could provide the evidence to support this figure. I've received a marvellously contorted reply, that essentially says, oh well, we all know passive smoking is bad for people, so we don't think it's misleading and won't be challenging it. Can you imagine if I brought out a new variety of brocolli and said, this ... THE BAN Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:22:26 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/asa-complaint-t39.htm#125 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/asa-complaint-t39.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/litterbugs-fined-t40.htm botswana7 Just been reading an article in the Local paper, I was expecting some sort of balanced view on litterbugs however it revolved around fining 3 people for dropping lighted cigarettes. Total fines and costs imposed £770.00 on smokers with nowhere to put lighted cigarettes. No news on the people who fill the same area with tons of fast food containers and wrappers. They are bashing smokers at every opportunity. B7 Protest at www.freewebs.com/botswana7 THE BAN Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:44:41 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/litterbugs-fined-t40.htm#137 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/litterbugs-fined-t40.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/safe-cigarette-t37.htm Admin Do you believe that passive smoking kills? It doesn't make any difference if you do, or if you do not believe it. The Government tell us that passive smoking kills all those that are exposed to it. So what are they doing about it? The simple answer is, Nothing! Banning smoking in public places, whilst still raking in billions of pounds in revenue from tobacco products, is like selling arms to Al Qaeda, whilst at the same time, condemning them for the atrocities they carry out by using ... THE BAN Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:56:36 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/safe-cigarette-t37.htm#112 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/safe-cigarette-t37.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/10-licence-to-smoke-proposed-t41.htm botswana7 Smokers would have to get a licence to light up under the plan Smokers could be forced to pay £10 for a permit to buy tobacco if a government health advisory body gets its way. Its chairman, Professor Julian Le Grand, told BBC Radio 5 Live the scheme would make a big difference to the number of people giving up smoking. But smokers' rights group Forest described the idea as "outrageous", given how much tax smokers already pay. An anti smoking bigot said it was the ... THE BAN Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:09:58 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/10-licence-to-smoke-proposed-t41.htm#140 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/10-licence-to-smoke-proposed-t41.htm http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/asa-witch-hunt-t43.htm Admin I complained to the ASA about the wording used in a EU advertisement, which states quite categorically that 19,000 Europeans die each year through the causes of passive smoking. I said that there was no proof of this, and as such, the advert would mislead viewers into believing figures which could not be substantiated. But instead of offering me proof, they state that the general consensus on this issue, supported by a significant majority of research, is that second-hand smoke is harmful ... THE BAN Sun, 17 Feb 2008 12:49:51 GMT http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/asa-witch-hunt-t43.htm#142 http://page2.forumotion.com/the-ban-f2/asa-witch-hunt-t43.htm